OLD CILCAIN

Various bits of information, plus a selection of old photographs mostly displayed by kind permission of Mr Rowland Williams, County Archivist, Flintshire County Record Office.

This page may take a relatively long time to download. Although I could speed it up by reducing the quality or size of the pictures, I have decided against it because I imagine anyone who is truly interested will be prepared to wait the extra seconds for the better quality.

 

 

 

Main headings on this page are:

Early Cilcain.
Early Village Photographs.
Oldest Houses.
Penbedw Standing Stones.
Hill Forts.
Moel Famau - Jubilee Tower.

 

Early Cilcain.

It is said that Cilcain was once one of the basest centres in the district, particularly notable for its annual fair where very large quantities of liquor were consumed! Cilcain Wakes Week achieved notoriety for its drunkenness and brawling. After Sunday morning church services, many of the congregation apparently made their way up to a quarry at Pedair-groesffordd to watch cock-fighting. After this 'entertainment', they returned to the village taverns to drink strong ale and fight amongst themselves. Cilcain sits on a bedrock of carboniferous limestone. The fields were stony, and years ago apparently farmers filled their carts with stones after the harvest and paved their part of the roads to pay their rates. Numerous lead veins were worked around the village, and gold mines at Pen Machno, Moel Dwyll and into Moel Fammau were said to produce the purest gold in the Principality. For a few brief years from the late 1880's, the hills above Cilcain were the scene of a short-lived 'gold-rush'. The goldfield hit the headlines in the Mining Journal in 1888. In the early 1890's, the landlord of the White Horse Inn was a part-owner of one of the tiny mines. He had a pony and trap waiting outside the White Horse Inn at Cilcain, every morning, to take a small party of workmen up to the workings. He also ensured miners' picks and drills were kept sharpened at the local smithy, and gave his men rooms at the Inn. The gold mines were worked until about 1895, but proved uneconomic. Were the deposits small, scattered and quickly exhausted, or do you think the miners missed great riches by bad luck or bad judgment?

At the bottom of the hill down from the church, past the historic buildings 'Long Barn' and the 'Old Vicarage' (1807), will be found the Nant Gain stream and an old mill pond. This once served a now derelict flour mill further down the Pentre valley

The earliest dwellings in Cilcain date from about 1642. See 'Oldest Houses'. The Smithy in the heart of the village is dated in 1572. In the countryside around the village are many old farmhouses and other dwellings dating from as long ago as the 16th century.

 

I acknowledge with thanks the loan of this postcard from Sarah & Peter Booth. It was originally posted in 1948. Note the telephone box in the row of gardens, which is enlarged below.

1948 postcard of Cilcain Centre.

Enlargement of above showing telephone box.

 

The White Horse Inn and the Church (view 1).

 

The White Horse Inn and the Church (view 2).

 

The White Horse Inn and the Church (view 3).

 

Cilcain Square.

 

Looking north through Cilcain centre.

 

The village centre, Cilcain.

 

I thank Mr Peter Jeory, Landlord of the White Horse, for the loan of the photo below showing in the foreground the old Red Lion public house - c1890. I also thank Gillian Standing for her note saying that her great, great grandfather Peter Evans was the Publican of the Red Lion in Cilcen.

If anyone viewing this site has any old photographs of Cilcain that would be of general interest, please could I borrow them for a day or two to include them in this display?

The following photos were kindly lent to me by Pete Booth of Cilcain.

The Village and the Leete from the Church Tower, Cilcen.

Aerial view of village and the Leete from the church tower.

 

Old Cilcain in colour.

 

The following photo was kindly lent to me by Julie Rae of Halkyn. The photo shows Pentre Cottage, Cilcain, taken in about 1962 when she lived there. Note the black & white rendering, and glass dormer windows.


Pentre Cottage.

I am grateful to Judith Ball of Wellington for the loan of the three photos below. The centre picture is the Orange Tub Cafe.

The village centre, Cilcen. Orange Tub Cafe. Church, White Horse Inn and Smithy, Cilcain.

 

Oldest Houses.

The oldest remaining houses in the village include:

Ty Isaf (1.5 miles north of village centre.)

Cefn Isa (0.7 miles north-east of the centre.)

Brithdir Mawr - a rare hall house - 1.5 miles south of the centre. I am informed by Patrick Topley that it is a Grade 1 listed building built in 1589. Patrick says it was a wonderful place in which to grow up. He remembers the postman delivering their mail on a Shire horse in the early 1960’s. I acknowledge with thanks this photo which he took with a box camera when he was only 11 years old.

Picture of Brithdir Mawr.

I am grateful to Greg Mould for the following interesting comments in July 2005:

I and my family lived at Brithdir Mawr for 20 years or so, after the Topleys. My parents are both architects. They spent a great deal of time researching the house. It was originally built as a hall house - one main room with a fireplace in the middle of the floor and a hole in the roof to let the smoke out. We found the fireplace when reconstructing the floor. It can still be seen, as we had to construct a frame around it to ensure it was not covered in concrete - I remember it well as the concrete was due to be delivered the following day, and so my father spent most of the night working on the frame!

 
A couple of hundred years after this original construction was built, the house was 'modernised'. A first floor was installed and fireplaces built into the walls and together with chimneys. This work included a wooden panelling 'partition' at one end of the main hall, which had the date 1589 carved on it. It is unusual to say the least for builders to mark their work with the date of the original construction, so this was the date of the 'remodelling' works. Judging by the type of construction, it was probably originally built at least 200 years earlier than 1589!
 
The house is very well hidden and was originally approached by a small track from the Vale of Clwyd. We also found a hidden horse hair plaster coat of arms.

 

Penbedw Standing Stones.

This prehistoric stone circle is located close to the boundary between Cilcain and Nannerch, and is described on the Nannerch page (which can be accessed via the link below).

 

Hill Forts.

Many of the subsidiary peaks in the Clwydian Range hold ruins of massive hill forts - Foel Fenlli (near Llanferres), Moel-y-Gaer (near Llanbedr); Moel Arthur (near Cilcain) and Pen-y-Cloddiau (near Nannerch). The forts had multiple protective ramparts, and were all constructed over 2,000 years ago by Celtic tribesmen during the early Iron Age or Bronze Age (900 BC to the Roman conquest in 55 BC). A hill fort is an area of land enclosed by a bank and ditch. They may have been used for defence, or as urban centres or as stock enclosures to keep cattle safe from marauding animals and rustlers. Individual round or rectangular houses could exist within the forts. Only one fort in he Clwyd Region has been fully excavated, and that also has the name Moel-y-Gaer at Rhosesmor. The Moel Arthur fort was the smallest of the four in the Country Park, but has impressive ramparts on its north side which are quite high and elaborately constructed. Pen-y-Cloddiau was one of the largest hill forts in Wales covering about 50 acres and having a circumference of 1.5 miles.

 

Moel Famau - Jubilee Tower.

Black & white view of original Jubilee Tower, Moel Famau.

 

My thanks to Annette Edwards of Summerhill, Wrexham, for sending the three images below. She believes they were taken using glass slides, and then the photos were transferred to paper prints.

Church gates. Pantymwyn Bridge. Schoolhouse.
Cilcain Church Gate The Bridge at Pantymwyn The Old School House, Cilcain

 

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